(Araucaria) RES: Fwd: [CQ-Contest] Why some Caribbean Islands compete asSouth America at CQWW and other contests
py5eg
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Segunda Novembro 9 17:24:03 BRST 2015
Ola Fernando e pessoal
Realmente competir do Continente S.America com as ilhas e mesmo outros países únicos é quase impossível todas as bandas.
No CQWW como Multi somente 2 X ZX0F e ZW5B Vice e PW7T M/2
Muitos campeonatos mundiais SOSB 10, 15 e 20 e records de zonas 40 metros PT5T
Fiz um apanhado somente SSB para ter uma visão geral
M/S
1996 ZX0F
MULTI-ONE
20,167,146
8,120
171
678
-
PY5EG PY5CC N5FA PY0...
1997 ZX0F
1997
MULTI-ONE
19,653,570
8,563
169
661
-
N6KT N5FA ZP5JCY
ZW5B
1989 VICE
MULTI-MULTI
35,830,544
13,644
189
710
-
N5FA N6AA N6TJ N6VI ...
2011
PW7T
MULTI-TWO
25,405,952
10,833
178
654
48.0
PY3VK PT7CB PT7CG PT...
No WPX temos os seguintes campeonatos mundiais
Notar que do Continente somente ZZ5EG 1987 ZX5C 1989 e PT0F 2000 os outros foram de F.Noronha
Temos vários campeonatos mundiais SOSB
2001 ZX5J
MULTI-MULTI
46,550,452
10,039
1,508
48.0
PP5JR PY5EG PP5W...
1987 ZZ5EG
MULTI-MULTI
38,096,250
9,510
1,250
-
PY5EG PY5CA N5FA...
ZX0F
2001
MULTI-ONE HP
31,700,536
7,475
1,318
42.9
PY5CC PY0FF N5FA...
ZX0F
1993
MULTI-ONE HP
vice 31,059,544
8,629
1,096
-
PY5EG PY5CC N5FA..
ZX0F
1994
MULTI-ONE HP
27,883,050
7,447
1,086
-
PY5EG PY5CC PY5A...
ZX0F
1999
MULTI-ONE HP
27,446,570
7,138
1,135
PY5EG PY5CC N5FA...
ZX0F
1997
MULTI-ONE HP
25,497,504
6,193
1,093
-
PY5EG N5FA PY0FF...
ZX0F
1996
MULTI-ONE HP
23,896,640
6,123
1,060
-
PY5EG N5FA PY5CC...
ZX5C
1989
MULTI-ONE HP
22,400,980
6,903
1,060
-
PY5EG PY5ZBA PY5...
PT0F
2000
MULTI-ONE HP
21,776,546
6,047
1,121
-
PY5CC N5FA PY0FF
Pode ter escapado alguma outra conquista
Um abraço
Atilano
De: araucaria-bounces em araucariadx.com [mailto:araucaria-bounces em araucariadx.com] Em nome de Fernando PY2LED
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de novembro de 2015 14:41
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Assunto: (Araucaria) Fwd: [CQ-Contest] Why some Caribbean Islands compete asSouth America at CQWW and other contests
Olá pessoal, boa tarde!
Ainda não satisfeito com as respostas obtidas no envio da primeira mensagem, preparei mais uma e enviei ontem a tarde com dados do ultimo cqwwssb, trazendo assim mais elementos para retratar o cenário e por enquanto tivemos apenas uma resposta.
De fato com o regulamento atual, maiores chances terão aqueles que estiverem no "Golden Circle" intitulado pelo amigo Ed, N1UR.
Como Atilano disse, esta proposta ja foi votada e foi derrotada. Não sei quando ocorreu pela ultima vez e quando podemos bater na tecla novamente.
O CQWW e o WPX sao únicos e não creio que a justificativa de apenas se divertir sabendo que jamais o vencerá nas categorias Multi e olhar para os demais contestes justifica a desvantagem.
O que acham?
Sergio, como você vê a questão, pois ja venceu varias vezes no SOSB em 10m e 15m, porem no Multi Single, Multi-Two ou Multi-Multi não temos nada, correto?
73's e boa semana a todos.
Fernando Cordoba | PY2LED | PX2B
Sao Caetano do Sul | SP | Brasil
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Início da mensagem encaminhada
De: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered em earthlink.net>
Data: 9 de novembro de 2015 12:09:08 BRST
Para: <cq-contest em contesting.com>
Assunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] Why some Caribean Islands compete as South America
Responder A: sawyered em earthlink.net
Fernando,
Nice analysis and yes, I think most of us would agree to your conclusions.
All else being equal for operators and stations, the "golden circle" of
Northern Africa and Extreme Northern South America will always win CQ WW and
CQ WPX. Even if the 3 points were changed to 2 points, propagation alone
would likely have these same stations win.
But that is not the way to look at contesting. Look for ALL contests where
its fun. Where does South America have an advantage? ARRL DX and ARRL 10
come to mind. Look to win the continental contests from South America as
well.
I have no chance of winning the world from W1 any more than you do from PY.
But that doesn't prevent us from really enjoying contesting and trying to
win the US when I can.
And don't think we can win the US for W1 in every contest. Take a look at
the top 10 in this weekend's SS contest in any category. Look at NAQP as
well. Every location has its spot to shine.
This is the sport. Its not to normalize every contest. Its to know which
contest you can win the world and which you can't. Compete in all you can
have fun in and accept what is continental winnable and what is not. Try
and win your country when you have a shot.
73
Ed N1UR
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De: "PY2LED - Fernando" <py2led em fuertesind.com.br <mailto:py2led em fuertesind.com.br> >
Data: 7 de novembro de 2015 22:09:12 BRST
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Assunto: [CQ-Contest] Why some Caribbean Islands compete as South America at CQWW and other contests
Dear Colleagues, Good day!
I really appreciate all messages sent, each individual point of view,
sharing opinions, suggestions all with education and fully respect.
Join a contest like CQWW and CQWPX continues fine, exciting and I will
always try to participate. Recently we constructed a contest station near
Sao Paulo and we knows very well what's the costs involved and the extras
when we are in islands etc. We are always looking for a plaque, this is our
target and probably from all of us. What a pleasure when we look to the
wall on the near future and see a lot of plaques from main contests
worldwide. We are proud of that.
But of course, in some categories, depending on your location and station
setup, before contest starts, you already know to reach that plaque will not
be possible. Here from Southeast part of Brazil, we know that is not
possible at Multi-Multi, Multi-Two, Multi-Single...we always will loose due
to our distance to the main ham population centers/countries like USA, EU,
Japan in the Low Bands. Ok, we will have our country and continental
competition what's fine. But how to become number one worldwide having the
best antennas, radios, amps, towers, cables, automation, operators etc?
To turn what I'm saying more easy to check and understand, let's please have
a look at the Claimed score from CQWWSSB at Multi Operators categories took
from 3830scores.com <http://3830scores.com> (where we can compare up to 5 stations):
Multi-Two:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
CN2R
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
39,368,266
14202
187
744
250
10
49
1513
27
107
2100
35
122
2142
39
156
4162
38
154
4035
38
156
CN3A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
38,007,784
14152
176
725
62
8
45
908
21
94
2178
34
125
3123
38
150
3727
38
152
4154
37
159
PJ4Q
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
24,770,768
11247
155
593
63
11
30
504
19
77
1561
28
110
2341
34
131
3323
32
121
3455
31
124
C4A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
21,237,810
8903
166
668
99
8
44
493
15
72
1414
32
114
2087
37
147
2235
38
136
2574
36
155
PX2A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
18,302,109
8847
157
550
0
0
0
45
14
27
425
29
92
1939
37
144
2777
39
141
3661
38
146
Multi-Multi:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
CN2AA
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
74,585,700
23815
207
843
894
21
85
2324
31
117
3597
37
142
5814
39
164
5656
39
169
5530
40
166
HK1NA
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
33,727,337
13867
176
657
282
16
54
629
21
80
2029
33
121
3489
37
143
3347
36
135
4030
33
124
K3LR
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
32,520,150
12593
195
786
468
19
61
859
27
99
2375
36
137
3377
39
174
3222
40
168
2293
34
147
PJ2T
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
29,789,720
13433
165
595
183
14
27
662
70
26
1928
30
107
2900
37
136
3899
34
127
3861
30
122
ZW5B(@PY5EG)
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
23,497,290
9972
177
633
4
3
3
127
19
40
914
38
125
2225
39
152
2826
39
158
3876
39
155
Multi-Single HP:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
EF8R
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
33,168,016
11973
183
749
88
11
54
642
21
93
1655
37
126
2433
38
156
2205
38
156
4950
38
164
CR3A
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
28,153,224
10468
183
719
97
13
56
658
24
96
874
34
116
2404
38
147
2205
37
149
4230
37
155
P33W
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
27,119,096
10267
182
734
188
11
60
468
20
86
1276
36
126
2670
38
154
2328
40
153
3337
37
155
PJ4X(@PJ4G)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
19,354,856
8334
168
620
12
4
11
533
25
87
941
30
112
1697
37
135
2169
38
139
2982
34
136
LT1F
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
11,336,365
5771
158
519
4
3
4
20
11
19
532
33
102
1164
37
125
960
38
132
3091
36
137
Multi-Single LP:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
FY5KE
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
14,427,004
6817
159
563
3
3
3
200
19
58
516
29
107
1835
36
136
1523
36
128
2740
36
131
VP9I(@VP9GE)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
7,018,557
4771
135
476
187
7
10
504
15
61
1119
25
93
1192
32
114
1230
31
105
539
25
93
EF7X(@EA7PP)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
5,684,625
3582
152
623
49
9
49
87
15
75
523
23
99
900
37
131
1012
36
131
1011
32
136
KP4BD
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
5,138,128
3856
131
437
13
3
11
116
13
49
346
21
70
784
33
115
1655
32
102
942
29
90
PR1T(@PY1NB)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
4,129,990
2787
118
396
2
2
2
3
2
3
112
25
77
550
32
108
801
30
102
1318
27
104
After to compare all this numbers, based in the Southeast of South America,
I arrived on the following points:
- Ocean Islands and countries at EU and USA boundaries dominated
this categories;
- Qsos/points from the South of South America, South of Africa and
etc from lower latitudes on the higher bands like 10m and 15m sometimes
arrives near qso/points amounts from the Winners BUT the qsos/points at
lower bands starting sometimes on 20m but mainly on 40m, 80m and 160m is
impossible to arrive closer. There is an abysm of difference. Here we have
a question of propagation mixed with distances, right? If yes, why not to
suggest and/or propose new rules considering this issue?
- Stations located in the boundaries of the main ham population
centers/countries like Caribbean Islands, Mediterranean islands and
countries located in the north of South America, North of Africa and other
similar areas looking to the North of the world will also do a lot more on
40/80/160 meters AND ALSO will do a lot on the high bands, counting 3
points/qso.
- If you are able to construct a super contest station in a rare
and excellent DX location (inland or offshore) with excellent openings
during the whole 24 hours to EU and NA (this should be nice), probably will
be on the top. But and all other stations under different conditions? Will
compete on this category the whole life without chances?
- So the conclusion here is that stations located far way from the
main ham population centers/countries (outside this continents) at higher
and lower latitudes normally do very small and limited amount of
qsos/countries/zones in 40m, 80m and 160m that is NOT compensated by far in
10m, 15m and 20m.
One possible solution could be to create a new category called "Islands" and
separate it per continent. We will have Islands Winners per Continents and
also an World Islands Rank. One problem solved!
The second situation, regarding this countries inland, located on the
boundaries of EU or NA (North of South America/North of Africa/etc)...we
should think in one way to balance the monsters/unbeatable scores. If we
don't do nothing to balance, competition will be always boring for the rest
of the world. Let's do barbecue, beer and have fun.
Thanks again for sharing ideas and taking your time with this issue, but
it's very important.
Hope to listen all of you during the next contests and some DX calls.
Have a nice weekend.
73's
Fernando F. R. Cordoba - PY2LED
Alto da Serra Contest Station
PX2A - PX2B
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2015-11-05 2:21 GMT+03:00 Fernando PY2LED <py2led em fuertesind.com.br <mailto:py2led em fuertesind.com.br> >:
Hello Dear Contesters, good day!
I was analyzing results from CQWW, CQWPX and in some categories we can see
some nice records made by stations located in the Caribean Islands. Some of
this islands counts like South America.
It is extremelly difficult or impossible to beat their scores from South of
Brazil, Argentina, Uruguai, Paraguai and other south countries due to the
big distances to the main countries lime USA and some European countries.
Also during the main contests, we have only one station (one multiplier) in
some of this islands like Bonaire, Aruba etc and everybody will try the qso.
I would like to understand if's there an explanation or criteria why they
are located in South America for this contests. When we go to some Geography
books, some autors gives reason why they don't include such islands at South
America and they do like Caribean islands.
Maybe this example applies to other parts of the world. Why not to create
an Islands Category or Central America or so?
Would like to share and listen opinions about this issue.
Many thanks and best 73's
Fernando Cordoba | PY2LED | PX2B
Sao Caetano do Sul | SP | Brasil
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