(Araucaria) RES: Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from Mount Athos

Quarta Julho 29 07:26:30 BRT 2015

Lidar com religiosos é sempre difícil , eles se acham donos da verdade ...

Em 29/07/2015 00:35, Leonardo escreveu:
> Boa noite a todos.
> Também acho que há uma ingerência nesta questão de concessão de Licenças e
> também acho que nestas horas, às favas a religião: farinha pouca, meu pirão
> primeiro.
>
> 73 de PP1CZ - Leo.
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: araucaria-bounces em araucariadx.com
> [mailto:araucaria-bounces em araucariadx.com] Em nome de Fred Carvalho
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 28 de julho de 2015 13:12
> Para: Grupo Araucaria de Radioamadorismo
> Assunto: Re: (Araucaria) Monk Apollo Speaks Out on Illegal Operation from
> Mount Athos
>
> Martins e Leo, a Salvação é que o Monk Apollo é bem ativo, mas claro
> insuficiente para acalmar a demanda. Mas, no entendimento de todos é ele que
> segura as permissões para outros operarem, criando uma  verdadeira "reserva
> de mercado". Nada muito ... cristão... da parte dele!
>
> Fred
>
> 2015-07-27 11:22 GMT-03:00 Martins Oliveira <martins_nunes em uol.com.br>:
>
>
> 	Kkkkk, se depender do Conselho dos Santos, a operação não vai
> acontecer tão cedo. Quase um P5
> 	
> 	73, Martins - PY2HN///
>
> 	Enviado via iPhone
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> 	Em 27/07/2015, às 10:46, Leonardo <pp1cz em terra.com.br> escreveu:
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> 		FYI I translated what Monk Apollo wrote and here it is:
> 		
> 		
> 		It is known that many radio amateurs, many years ago, want
> to come and operate from Mount Athos. The older hams know that I helped in
> the past a radio amateur team from Thessaloniki Greece to come and operate
> from Virgin Mary’s Garden. Most of you know also that the Mount Athos refuse
> a license to everyone the last years. Maybe you have forgotten that this is
> a result the way Baldur DJ6SI tried to fool the monks to operate illegally.
> 		
> 		Unfortunately instead the history guides us, we have seen
> new tries to fool the monks the last time.
> 		
> 		Some time ago, some Latvian hams came in Mount Athos and
> tried to operate without any license. They claimed that they had an oral
> permission. Of course they had neither oral or written license and Mount
> Athos went them out. But their try, even they had not the right documents,
> was not good for Mount Athos reputation. Many hams because of his desire to
> have a QSO, blamed Mount Athos for this.
> 		
> 		After a short time, a Greek radio amateur operated from
> Mount Athos. I received many messages asking if he is legal or not. He is
> claimed that he has a license from a monastery for training operation
> without to have in mind the Greek law, which says:
> 		
> 		“in specific cases and when special security has taken, the
> owner of the station with a valid license may, for educational purpose and
> aiming to progress of amateur radio, to allow the use of his station to a
> third person who is not radio amateur, under his responsibility, supervision
> and instructions, for a short time, not bigger than 20 minutes. In such
> cases he must sign as /T (training)”
> 		
> 		But his license is NOT valid because he has not the Holy
> Council’s license as the Greek law says:
> 		
> 		“A special call to be issued for operation from Mount Athos,
> it is necessary you have thw written permission of Holy Council”
> 		
> 		So we speak for another try to fool the Monks. The same
> negative picture again.
> 		
> 		Finally this is what we want? We want to operate even we
> fool the monks? Even we make something bad for Mount Athos? Do we feel ok if
> we do something like this? And finally are these actions against ham radio
> because all these make a far dream a future dxpedition?
> 		
> 		Mount Athos is a source of Light that illuminates all of us
> and a Beacon of Orthodoxs through the Centuries.
> 		
> 		I asked the Holy Council if a license has been given and
> they answered negatively. The Holy Council having in mind the illegal
> operations of Baldur DJ6SI, the willing of Latvians who wanted to operate
> without a license, the illegal operation of SV2/SV1RP/T or /A at 12 June
> 2015 and many received applications to operate from Mount Athos, sent a
> decision (doc. Nr F.2/27A/1482/28-6-2015) to the 20 Monasteries of Mount
> Athos to make all these clear. With this document, the Holy Community says
> that if someone outside Mount Athos wants to operate, he needs a special
> call and the written permission of Holy Council. Also is mentioned that all
> the answers in relatively applications for a license until now were
> negative. So that means all the operations until now are illegal.
> 		
> 		I want to ask everyone to behave more carefully. In our life
> in general, it is better to try something without to offend others, or to
> raise the values and institutions, trying to achieve our goal preserving the
> law and ethics.
> 		
> 		Monk Apollo from Docheiariou Monastery.
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