(Araucaria) PY2WAS - TO2FH - Agradecimentos pela empreitada

[Muniz Pepy]

Alex, sempre quando alguem tenta fazer algo se não bom, mais excelente como vocês fizeram e estão fazendo, sempre terá ataques... Eu ja vejo como uma coisa quase comum em virtude do que vemos hoje.
 
Você fez a expedição com seus custos, e de alguma forma a idéia ruim que esses sujeitos teem em querer fazer algo do tipo para tentar ganhar dinheiro, acham que você faz o mesmo. É o próprio ego do sujeito se mostrando claramente quem ele é, muitas vezes as pessoas saem falando besteira pensando que todos são iguais a elas, achando que sempre tem uma coisa ruim por trás de toda história. E o pior, ainda acham que você tem obrigações para com eles, todos nós temos nossas dificuldades e a superação que vocês fizeram foi excepcional, a sua dedicação é muito importante. Parabens a expedição, infelismente ainda estou sem antenas, pelo cluster acompanhei momentos da atividade. Parabens, foi SHOW, e parabens pela insistência pois nas outras expedições que você fez com indices de propagação BAIXISSIMOS, você ainda estava fazendo suas expedições, esta é a maior prova que você faz por amor... e não interesse em mostrar alguma
 coisa...
como as vezes muitos pensam... Grande equipe, grandes resultados e grandes radioamadores estiveram em T02FH... É isso ai.... Vocês são muito importantes para o rádioamadorismo Brasileiro sempre continuem na luta... 73


 


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--- Em qui, 28/4/11, PY2WAS - Alex <py2was em gmail.com> escreveu:


De: PY2WAS - Alex <py2was em gmail.com>
Assunto: (Araucaria) TO2FH - Agradecimento - Ataques ao Sistema de QSL
Para: "Grupo Araucaria de Radioamadorismo" <araucaria em araucariadx.com>
Data: Quinta-feira, 28 de Abril de 2011, 12:40



Prezados PP5BK e PY2ADR,
 
Gostaria de agradecer particularmente a vocês e a todos aqueles que nos defenderam de alguns ataques feitos por outros radioamadores estrangeiros, pela cobrança mínima do QSL.
 
O texto que acabei de inserir no DX World.Net expõe com clareza os meus pontos de vista sobre a questão, compartilhados com o Ricardo (PY2PT) e com o Fernando (PY4BZ).
 
Eis o texto:
 
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Dear colleagues,
Firstly, TO2FH team (including me) wishes to thank all who have participated of the pile-ups.
I will make some few comments, but I do not have the intention to go further with discussions here, after all, everyone has the right to say whatever he thinks of.
I used to think as some colleagues have complained here, that is, QSL should be free of charge as a final courtesy of a QSO and as a choice of the other station to use bureau, even taking into consideration the longer time to receive it.
Then, I started to do dx-peditions and found out how complex and expensive is to put in place these remote operations.
I do not request previous donations of anyone, but I am sure that it would not be too much if a ham could colaborate with a minimum of US 2 dollars with the dx-pedition. If we consider the US 2 dollars for a QSL and excluding QSL and shipping costs, there will be some cents to be used to help to reduce costs of the dx-pedition.
Do I love dx-peditions ? For sure ! But I also love to chase dx-peditions from my home, sitting in a comfortable leather chair, with a cold beverage and it will cost me the power energy only. Why should I continue with dx-peditions ? Why other ham colleagues should support thousands of dollars in dx-peditions ?
It is absolutely a nonsense to say that I am on vacations. Vacations in Mayotte ? Vacations in Guyana ? There are pleasant places in both venues, but I would certainly prefer to spend my vacations in Hawaii or USA or France and so on.
Just before the trip, I was queried by a relevant ham society about the Online QRS System only and it was requested me to open the accounting balance of the dx-pedition. I did it. At that time, our costs were reaching US 24k dollars and after the trip, our excedent baggage costed us an additional value of US 1.5k dollars. It is easy for a ham, who is in France, to say that his expenses were below. He had not to move from Brazil to France as the first step of his trip. He did not inform if he went alone or in a group as we did. Many factors may influence the values to raise or drop.
Finally, I am presently the responsible one (LABRE SP’s Ham Radio Director) for the bureau of the Brazilian Association in Sao Paulo, one of the few active bureaux in Brazil, and only God knows how hard it has been to keep it, facing the finance obstacles to keep it alive. We had to set forth 360 QSLs free of charge during a calendar year. From the next one to be sent on, it is charged in R$ 0.10. There is no charge for receiving QSLs. So, it is important to highlight that QSLs via bureau in dx-peditions causes additional costs for the dx-peditioners, as I am still under charges by the latest ones (8R1PY, PW2K, PW2TA and ZY0F).
Therefore, I ask you to think of the following final assumptions:
1) Please, do not be so sharp in your comments if you have never tried a dx-pedition. Without dx-peditions, DX in ham radio will die. We will have to talk to USA, Russia, some countries in Europe and Japan only.
2) World is quite different. Economic reasons change from place to place. So, it is not fair to compare so different realities, without knowing them.
3) As mentioned here, the ham operator is really charged by a minimum of US 2 dollars, but he will save money with mail and with his printed QSL. Additionally, he will contribute to reduce a little bit our costs and permit us new dx-peditions in the future. The conscience and the finance health of each one will determine if it is possible to aid with more or less.
4) We are expecting to offset between 10% to 20% of our final expenses, but we are not sure if we will succeed, after considering the QSL printing and shipping costs. We do not wish hams for paying our entire costs at all.
5) I have no doubts that QSL is a courtesy, but nowadays it costs money and it is not cheap, when talking about the number of QSLs resulted from a dx-pedition. We will be discussing the possibility to include it at LOTW, so that, those colleagues who can not afford to pay US 2 dollars may have the credit of this dx-pedition.
6) Do dx-peditions to earn money would be the worst idea in the world. A business destined to bankruptcy in the first attempt. Once again, those who are skeptical, try it once and talk us later.
After 6 entire days of dx-pedition, we reached around 11,300 QSOs and we expect to upload the log to Club Log. the lack of internet was really bad for our plans.
Please, check also TO2FH at QRZ.COM, which has some pictures there.
I finally end this long comment by saying that my purpose at ham radio is gathering friends. Bruno, Christophe and Pierre are new examples of good friends that will be in our lives forever. We also do not have words enough to thank F6ENO and DJ8NK for all their support and incentive words.
I respect everyone’s opinion, notwithstanding how different they are from my ideas, provided that they are respectful as I respect anyone else.
Thanks for your valuable and kind attention.
73,
Alex
PY2WAS
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Só um louco pensaria em ganhar dinheiro com uma expedição, considerando a quantidade de despesas envolvidas. Ademais, mesmo o bureau atualmente tem um custo para ser utilizado.
Finalmente, ter que ler coisas do tipo de que "nossas férias" estão sendo financiadas, é deprimente. Férias para Mayotte ? Como bem diz o nosso amigo Xavier, quem fala isso só pode ser aquele que nunca tentou fazer uma expedição para ter idéia do custo e do trabalho que dá.
Um forte 73,
Alex
PY2WAS
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