(Araucaria) FJ/OH2AM
Cicero Xavier Silva
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Sexta Dezembro 28 10:27:20 BRST 2007
Oi Luke.
Condordo. Realmente é um grande abacaxi para descascar.
Sinceramente creio que o OH2BH, pelo seu currículo, não iria se aventurar em
algo para o qual não estivesse seguro e "autorizado", sujeitando-se a ver
uma operação de uma nova entidade (Alo Fred: aaarrrrrgggg) invalidada ou
tida como invasão, como dizem os franceses. Enfim, uma operação tida como
"pirata".
Os argumentos são realmente intransponíveis, mas para isso existem varas de
salto...
73
Xavier
2007/12/28, Luciano <pt7wa em oi.com.br>:
>
> Alo XAVIER: Acho que os caras lá do DXCC estão numa "bananosa" , não? Os
> argumentos dos franceses são incontestáveis. De qualquer maneira, futuras
> operações de FJ deverão "pipocar" brevemente. Já há um anuncio do W6IZT,
> que possivelmente operará da estação FJ5KH de 14 a 16 próximos. De-
> vemos esperar grandes pile-ups já que a operação dos finlandeses ficou
> no "suspense" . Um feliz 2008 a todos e desejo que o "embrolio" seja
> resolvido satis-
> fatoriamente.
>
> 73 de Luciano PT7WA
>
> Cicero Xavier Silva escreveu:
> > A julgar por operações passadas, não vai haver problema nenhum.
> > Quem já operou de P5 sem documentação e valeu, FJ é fichinha.
> > Só acho que não adianta apressar QSL se a operação não for validada.
> > PY7ZY, Xavier
> >
> >
> > 2007/12/27, Fred Souto Maior <py7zz em soutomaior.eti.br
> > <mailto:py7zz em soutomaior.eti.br>>:
> >
> > Alo pessoal:
> >
> > Quem trabalhou FJ/OH2AM é bom não enviar logo os qsls + IRCs
> > ou greens. Os franceses atraves do FJ5BL/F6GOX Presidente do ARP
> > Radio Club
> > Paris, está pedindo que a operação não seja validada devido a varias
> > irregularidades (ver texto
> > abaixo), e que a primeira operação valida seja a de FJ5KH.. Vem
> > confusão
> > por aí !!!
> > 73
> >
> > Fred - PY7ZZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Laurent BEUGNET Paris 27 december 2007
> > F6GOX / FJ5BL
> > President of ARP Radio-Club de Paris
> > To Mr Bill MOORE, NC1L , President of the ARRL DXCC Committee,
> > Copiy : Mr David SUMNER, K1ZZ, President ot the ARRL.
> > Object : Examination of the validation criteria of the dxpedition «
> > FJ/OH2AM » at Saint
> > Bartholomew from 18 to 27 december 2007 by operators « OH2BH » et
> > « OH0XX ».
> > Dear friends,
> > It was brought to the attention of ARRL DXCC committee members the
> > violations of the
> > regulations French-CEPT TR/61-01 (sections 2.3 and 3.1) and hence
> the
> > requirement for
> > validation of an expedition settlement of the DXCC ( article
> > III.1), by
> > amateur radio
> > "FJ/OH2AM" from 18 to 27.12.2007 at St Bartholomew.
> > The verification of the evidence submitted was obtained from the
> > following sources:
> > ERO
> > Bureau européen des radiocommunications,
> > Peblingehus, Nansensgade 19,
> > DK-1366 Copenhague, Danemark.
> > Ministère des Postes et Communications électroniques / MINEFE / DGE
> > Monsieur Claude-Robert DELIME
> > Chef du Bureau de la réglementation
> > 75012 Paris, France
> > claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> > <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>
> > Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority (FICORA)
> > Itämerenkatu 3 A
> > P.O. Box 313
> > FI-00181 HELSINKI
> > radiocom em ficora.fi <mailto:radiocom em ficora.fi>
> > There would be appear to the DXCC Committee members that these
> > elements
> > are likely
> > not to validate this activity "FJ/OH2AM" under regulations
> established
> > by the committee.
> > With my best 73
> > Laurent BEUGNET F6GOX/ FJ5BL
> > I. Infringements CEPT TR / 61-01
> > I.1
> > Use a call sign that the operator does not hold in the country of
> > origin
> > He was employed by two operators « OH2AM »instead of their home call
> > sign that they
> > own in their country of origin, namely « OH2BH » and « OH0XX ». It
> > is a
> > violation of
> > section 2.3 of the the CEPT TR 61-01 Nicosia 2003 which states:
> > «2.3 When transmitting in the visited country the licence holder
> must
> > use his national call
> > sign preceded by the call sign prefix of the visited country as
> > indicated in Appendices II and IV.
> > The call sign prefix and the national call sign must be separated
> > by the
> > character "/" (telegraphy) or
> > the word "stroke" (telephony). »
> > Official confirmation from the Ministry of Posts and Electronic
> > Communications
> > tansaltion of the email from Mr Claude-Robert DELIME :
> > Objet: Calls precision regulatory amateur
> > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:28:05 +0100
> > De: Claude-Robert DELIME < claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> > <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>>
> > Répondre à :: Claude-Robert DELIME
> > <claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> > <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>>
> > Pour :: < f6gox em free.fr <mailto:f6gox em free.fr>>
> > Références: <47725A01.5090604 em free.fr
> > <mailto:47725A01.5090604 em free.fr>> <000d01c847ce
> > $0e660060$12a522a0 em digitip.alize> <4772767D.906 em free.fr
> > <mailto:4772767D.906 em free.fr>>
> > « Hello,
> > I can assure you in response to your question that the use of a code
> > other than the one assigned to
> > his country of origin by his administration is not allowed.
> > Greetings
> > »
> > It is known to the committee DXCC it is a criminal offense to clear
> > regulatory French
> > national, non-compliance with statutory requirements under Article
> > L33-3
> > code postal
> > and electronic communications, with penalties under Article L39-1
> code
> > postal and
> > electronic communications that are applicable. It was not desired
> > by the
> > local radio
> > undermine the judiciary to both foreign visitors.
> > I.2
> > Use a call sign not have a reciprocity CEPT TR 61-01
> > The prefix used "OH2AM" is awarded to a Radio-Club.
> >
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> > <
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> >
> > The indicative Radio-Club not receiving reciprocity CEPT. It is a
> > breach
> > of section 3.1 of
> > the english version of the CEPT TR 61/01, which states:
> > « 3. 1 The equivalence between the CEPT licence and national
> > licences in
> > CEPT countries is given in Appendix
> > II.»
> > Only licenses OH Class Y, P and T are CEPT. C licenses out side
> > Finland
> > are not allowed.
> > II. Offense criteria for validation program DXCC
> > The rules for accreditation of DXCC in his point III.1 have not
> > been met.
> > The settlement of DXCC, in his point III.1 shows:
> > « Conversely, findings by a host government indicating
> non-compliance
> > with their
> > amateur radio regulations may cause denial or revocation of
> > accreditation. »
> > As a result of non-compliance with applicable regulations Radio
> > France,
> > in sections 2.3
> > and 3.1 of CEPT TR 61-01, it is requested that the committee DXCC
> not
> > validate the
> > activity « FJ/OH2AM » by the strict application of Article III.1.
> > III. Confusion among radio amateurs on the source codes
> > It appears in the callbook Finnish legibly:
> >
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> > <
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> >
> > The station OH2AM is a radio-club and not an individual.
> > Or even not to disguise the fraudulent use of an indicative
> > radio-club
> > that the information
> > contained on the website QRZ.COM <http://QRZ.COM> were changed the
> > day before the start
> > of the
> > operation, which is December 17 by the qsl manager OH2BN?
> > The holder of OH2AM is shown with the same references as the
> > holder of
> > OH2BN, billed
> > as QSL manager of this activity.
> > If we were even more evidence to the committee DXCC the ARRL to be
> > believed, one can
> > only wonder about the reasons that led this indicative Radio-Club to
> > suddenly become
> > that of a natural person, qsl manager this expedition?
> > Conclusion
> > It is illegal in France to use the prefix "FJ/OH2AM" whether a
> > radio-club or absence of the
> > operator « OH2AM » or « OH2BN » who was not on the spot.
> > This was indeed the case because the operators were at St
> Bartholomew
> > holders stations
> > « OH2BH » and « OH0XX ».
> > It would be desirable, given the very strong feelings raised by the
> > conditions of this
> > activity, the committee's DXCC the ARRL does not endorse a breach
> > of the
> > French
> > legislation and thus its own rule III.1 of DXCC Award.
> > It is requested that the committee DXCC the ARRL not validate the
> > activity "FJ/OH2AM."
> > It is requested that the committee DXCC that the first operation
> "FJ"
> > valid under the new
> > country DXCC No. 338 is that of "FJ5KH" Radio-Club of St.
> Bartholomew.
> > Laurent BEUGNET F6GOX / FJ5BL
> > Notes :
> > « OH2AM » is a Radio-Club, « OH-DX-Ring Ry », PL 73, 02381 ESPOO.
> > « OH2AM » was updated the 17.12.07 sur QRZ.COM <http://QRZ.COM> «
> > Jarmo J. Jaakola,
> > KIILLETIE 5 C
> > 30, HELSINKI FI-00710, FINLAND », sames words than « OH2BN ».
> > « OH2BH » is MARTTI LAINE, SAVASUNDINTIE 4C, ESPOO FINLAND 02380,
> > FINLAND.
> > « OH0XX » is OLLI RISSANEN, Apartado 0860-00432, Villa Lucre,
> Panamá,
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