(Araucaria) FJ/OH2AM
Luciano
pt7wa em oi.com.br
Sexta Dezembro 28 05:55:00 BRST 2007
Alo XAVIER: Acho que os caras lá do DXCC estão numa "bananosa" , não? Os
argumentos dos franceses são incontestáveis. De qualquer maneira, futuras
operações de FJ deverão "pipocar" brevemente. Já há um anuncio do W6IZT,
que possivelmente operará da estação FJ5KH de 14 a 16 próximos. De-
vemos esperar grandes pile-ups já que a operação dos finlandeses ficou
no "suspense" . Um feliz 2008 a todos e desejo que o "embrolio" seja
resolvido satis-
fatoriamente.
73 de Luciano PT7WA
Cicero Xavier Silva escreveu:
> A julgar por operações passadas, não vai haver problema nenhum.
> Quem já operou de P5 sem documentação e valeu, FJ é fichinha.
> Só acho que não adianta apressar QSL se a operação não for validada.
> PY7ZY, Xavier
>
>
> 2007/12/27, Fred Souto Maior <py7zz em soutomaior.eti.br
> <mailto:py7zz em soutomaior.eti.br>>:
>
> Alo pessoal:
>
> Quem trabalhou FJ/OH2AM é bom não enviar logo os qsls + IRCs
> ou greens. Os franceses atraves do FJ5BL/F6GOX Presidente do ARP
> Radio Club
> Paris, está pedindo que a operação não seja validada devido a varias
> irregularidades (ver texto
> abaixo), e que a primeira operação valida seja a de FJ5KH.. Vem
> confusão
> por aí !!!
> 73
>
> Fred - PY7ZZ
>
>
>
>
>
> Laurent BEUGNET Paris 27 december 2007
> F6GOX / FJ5BL
> President of ARP Radio-Club de Paris
> To Mr Bill MOORE, NC1L , President of the ARRL DXCC Committee,
> Copiy : Mr David SUMNER, K1ZZ, President ot the ARRL.
> Object : Examination of the validation criteria of the dxpedition «
> FJ/OH2AM » at Saint
> Bartholomew from 18 to 27 december 2007 by operators « OH2BH » et
> « OH0XX ».
> Dear friends,
> It was brought to the attention of ARRL DXCC committee members the
> violations of the
> regulations French-CEPT TR/61-01 (sections 2.3 and 3.1) and hence the
> requirement for
> validation of an expedition settlement of the DXCC ( article
> III.1), by
> amateur radio
> "FJ/OH2AM" from 18 to 27.12.2007 at St Bartholomew.
> The verification of the evidence submitted was obtained from the
> following sources:
> ERO
> Bureau européen des radiocommunications,
> Peblingehus, Nansensgade 19,
> DK-1366 Copenhague, Danemark.
> Ministère des Postes et Communications électroniques / MINEFE / DGE
> Monsieur Claude-Robert DELIME
> Chef du Bureau de la réglementation
> 75012 Paris, France
> claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>
> Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority (FICORA)
> Itämerenkatu 3 A
> P.O. Box 313
> FI-00181 HELSINKI
> radiocom em ficora.fi <mailto:radiocom em ficora.fi>
> There would be appear to the DXCC Committee members that these
> elements
> are likely
> not to validate this activity "FJ/OH2AM" under regulations established
> by the committee.
> With my best 73
> Laurent BEUGNET F6GOX/ FJ5BL
> I. Infringements CEPT TR / 61-01
> I.1
> Use a call sign that the operator does not hold in the country of
> origin
> He was employed by two operators « OH2AM »instead of their home call
> sign that they
> own in their country of origin, namely « OH2BH » and « OH0XX ». It
> is a
> violation of
> section 2.3 of the the CEPT TR 61-01 Nicosia 2003 which states:
> «2.3 When transmitting in the visited country the licence holder must
> use his national call
> sign preceded by the call sign prefix of the visited country as
> indicated in Appendices II and IV.
> The call sign prefix and the national call sign must be separated
> by the
> character "/" (telegraphy) or
> the word "stroke" (telephony). »
> Official confirmation from the Ministry of Posts and Electronic
> Communications
> tansaltion of the email from Mr Claude-Robert DELIME :
> Objet: Calls precision regulatory amateur
> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:28:05 +0100
> De: Claude-Robert DELIME < claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>>
> Répondre à :: Claude-Robert DELIME
> <claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr
> <mailto:claude-robert.delime em industrie.gouv.fr>>
> Pour :: < f6gox em free.fr <mailto:f6gox em free.fr>>
> Références: <47725A01.5090604 em free.fr
> <mailto:47725A01.5090604 em free.fr>> <000d01c847ce
> $0e660060$12a522a0 em digitip.alize> <4772767D.906 em free.fr
> <mailto:4772767D.906 em free.fr>>
> « Hello,
> I can assure you in response to your question that the use of a code
> other than the one assigned to
> his country of origin by his administration is not allowed.
> Greetings
> »
> It is known to the committee DXCC it is a criminal offense to clear
> regulatory French
> national, non-compliance with statutory requirements under Article
> L33-3
> code postal
> and electronic communications, with penalties under Article L39-1 code
> postal and
> electronic communications that are applicable. It was not desired
> by the
> local radio
> undermine the judiciary to both foreign visitors.
> I.2
> Use a call sign not have a reciprocity CEPT TR 61-01
> The prefix used "OH2AM" is awarded to a Radio-Club.
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> <http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN>
> The indicative Radio-Club not receiving reciprocity CEPT. It is a
> breach
> of section 3.1 of
> the english version of the CEPT TR 61/01, which states:
> « 3. 1 The equivalence between the CEPT licence and national
> licences in
> CEPT countries is given in Appendix
> II.»
> Only licenses OH Class Y, P and T are CEPT. C licenses out side
> Finland
> are not allowed.
> II. Offense criteria for validation program DXCC
> The rules for accreditation of DXCC in his point III.1 have not
> been met.
> The settlement of DXCC, in his point III.1 shows:
> « Conversely, findings by a host government indicating non-compliance
> with their
> amateur radio regulations may cause denial or revocation of
> accreditation. »
> As a result of non-compliance with applicable regulations Radio
> France,
> in sections 2.3
> and 3.1 of CEPT TR 61-01, it is requested that the committee DXCC not
> validate the
> activity « FJ/OH2AM » by the strict application of Article III.1.
> III. Confusion among radio amateurs on the source codes
> It appears in the callbook Finnish legibly:
> http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN
> <http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2am&name=&addr=&zip=&city=&class=&lang=EN>
> The station OH2AM is a radio-club and not an individual.
> Or even not to disguise the fraudulent use of an indicative
> radio-club
> that the information
> contained on the website QRZ.COM <http://QRZ.COM> were changed the
> day before the start
> of the
> operation, which is December 17 by the qsl manager OH2BN?
> The holder of OH2AM is shown with the same references as the
> holder of
> OH2BN, billed
> as QSL manager of this activity.
> If we were even more evidence to the committee DXCC the ARRL to be
> believed, one can
> only wonder about the reasons that led this indicative Radio-Club to
> suddenly become
> that of a natural person, qsl manager this expedition?
> Conclusion
> It is illegal in France to use the prefix "FJ/OH2AM" whether a
> radio-club or absence of the
> operator « OH2AM » or « OH2BN » who was not on the spot.
> This was indeed the case because the operators were at St Bartholomew
> holders stations
> « OH2BH » and « OH0XX ».
> It would be desirable, given the very strong feelings raised by the
> conditions of this
> activity, the committee's DXCC the ARRL does not endorse a breach
> of the
> French
> legislation and thus its own rule III.1 of DXCC Award.
> It is requested that the committee DXCC the ARRL not validate the
> activity "FJ/OH2AM."
> It is requested that the committee DXCC that the first operation "FJ"
> valid under the new
> country DXCC No. 338 is that of "FJ5KH" Radio-Club of St. Bartholomew.
> Laurent BEUGNET F6GOX / FJ5BL
> Notes :
> « OH2AM » is a Radio-Club, « OH-DX-Ring Ry », PL 73, 02381 ESPOO.
> « OH2AM » was updated the 17.12.07 sur QRZ.COM <http://QRZ.COM> «
> Jarmo J. Jaakola,
> KIILLETIE 5 C
> 30, HELSINKI FI-00710, FINLAND », sames words than « OH2BN ».
> « OH2BH » is MARTTI LAINE, SAVASUNDINTIE 4C, ESPOO FINLAND 02380,
> FINLAND.
> « OH0XX » is OLLI RISSANEN, Apartado 0860-00432, Villa Lucre, Panamá,
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