(Araucaria) É PERMITIDO MAIS QUE 2 ESTAÇÕES NO M/2

Segunda Junho 25 08:33:36 BRT 2012

Meu caro StephanoNinguem está trocando ofensas, somente esamos mostrando aos radioamadores brasileiros algumas verdades. Os radioamadores brasileiros precisam saber quem são seus colegas de hobby, isso não é ofensa e verdades ditas. Maia - PY5CA
 From: pt2ic em hotmail.com
To: araucaria em araucariadx.com; py8azt em dxbrasil.net
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:47:22 +0000
CC: py5eg em iesa.com.br; rio-dx-group em yahoogrupos.com.br
Subject: Re: (Araucaria) É PERMITIDO MAIS QUE 2 ESTAÇÕES NO M/2

Por favor, troquem essas ofensas em pvt... eu tenho "apenas" 26 anos, e essa troca de insultos pública me desestimula muito.Não estou tomando partido nenhum!
Um grande abraço para todos.
Stephano Pessini Alberto da Silva (PT2IC) e (PY2LTY)

From: py5ca em hotmail.com
To: araucaria em araucariadx.com; py8azt em dxbrasil.net
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 03:17:32 +0300
CC: py5eg em iesa.com.br; rio-dx-group em yahoogrupos.com.br
Subject: Re: (Araucaria) É PERMITIDO MAIS QUE 2 ESTAÇÕES NO M/2

Peter
POR FAVOR, COLOQUE MEU NOME NA DENUNCIA, gostaria de compartilhar contigo para a exclusão desse senhor. Ele já trouxe muito malefício ao radioamadorismo brasileiro. por esse motivo me inclua na denuncia.
Maia - PY5CA

From: pp5xx em radioamador.com
To: py8azt em dxbrasil.net; araucaria em araucariadx.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:18:42 -0300
CC: py5eg em iesa.com.br; rio-dx-group em yahoogrupos.com.br
Subject: (Araucaria) É PERMITIDO MAIS QUE 2 ESTAÇÕES NO M/2

Senhor Luciano PY8AZT:

Voces operaram sim fora das regras com 3 sinais simultaneos.

Uma ocasião flagramos voces com 3 sinais simultaneos nas bandas.

20, 40 e 80 metros. Pelo menos 5 pessoas no schak de ZW5B presenciaram
o fato. Entre eles o Fabiano PY3VK que hoje é protegido de voces. Será que ele vai 
ter corragem de negar? Na ocasião ficou tão indignado como os demais.

Sugerimos ao Atilano que representasse junto ao Comitee do CQWW porém
o mesmo optou por deixar quieto. Era a imagem do Brasil que estava em jogo. 

A desculpa sua para a penalização que receberam com desconto de 5 milhoes 
de pontos não cola. Não foi 1 nem dois multiplicadores. 5 milhoes de pontos 
representa muita coisa.

É 25 % de um score total. em 48 horas representam 12 horas de operação jogadas
fora. Isso não tem explicação senhor.

Estou entrando com uma representação junto ao Comitee do WPX com base na sua 
confissão de que usam 3 estações, para que o log de PW7T no CQ WPX SSB e CW seja 
reclassificado como Multi Multi. Penso que desclassificação seja uma vergonha 
grande demais para o Brasil.

Peço desculpas aos amigos do RIO DX por enviar esta mensagem a lista de voces e
polemizar. Mas algumas verdades tem que ser ditas.

Peter PP5XX / PQ8XX / PY5XX / PYØFM / PT9ZZ / PY5CC
GG53qw Itapoá - SC - Brazil
ARAUCARIA DX GROUP MEMBER
DXARC Club Colombia Member
ARRL MEMBER
ZW5B Team.
PT5T Team.
PWØT Team.
ZXØF, PTØF, PXØF, PUØF Team.
HKØNA Malpelo 2012 Team Member.

CW5R 2010 Team.

From: py8azt em dxbrasil.net
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:43:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Is allowed more then 2 stations on M/2?
To: cq-contest em contesting.com
CC: py5eg em iesa.com.br; pp5xx em radioamador.com; pt7cb em secrel.com.br; RIO-DX-GROUP em yahoogrupos.com.br; gdxg em yahoogrupos.com.br; dxbrasil em googlegroups.com

Atilano,
You are welcome to the discussion and we appreciate you did it.

Yes, we read the rules and we do our best to understand It, just like anyone that is serious about contesting. BTW, we also read the PY Ham Radio Regulations and we do not use more power output then is allowed in our country, just like anyone serious about legality.

You never visited our station, despite you promised many times since 2006. So, what you are not aware is:

- We do not use keyer- We do not use vox

- We use hardware interlock system preventing third signal get on the air any time on any band

If you are not aware about our setup, It doesn't mean we are cheating. 

You can ask Ville OH2MM who has operated with us many times, including last CQWW CW If we use more power then is allowed in Brazil, or If we have more then 2 TX on the air any second! Or whatever you need to know about how we operate every contest at PW7T.

Please, do not imply we are cheating, you has been doing this for too long and nobody bite it. It's time to show us what is wrong and how to do it on the right way.

Could you please write in plain-text what we are doing (did) wrong? 

As soon we learn from you what is wrong, we give our word that station will be shutdown until we fix it. Also we will withdraw our log from WPX 2012 (SSB and CW) or whatever contest we eventually did any thing wrong.

I'm writing on behalf of PW7T operators and Fortaleza DX Group that are unhappy with what you and Peter has been implying about us.

73, Luc
__
PW7T Team member
WRTC.2006 Brazilian Referee

WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team LeaderPY8AZT (also PT7AG, R37U, ZY7C, PX8C, ZZ8Z)

LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member

2012/6/23 py5eg <py5eg em iesa.com.br>

Hi Folks

Sorry to enter into this
discussion but something must be said!

Every contester knows
that a third station or even 4 stations can be used but never more than three
stations at the same time

So please Luc take in
consideration that not only you read the rules.

You perfectly know what
Peter is referring to.

The only way to assure
that during the 48 hours every minute and every second only two stations at the
same time is with a interlock mechanism and not only software because if the
third station on SSB is using vox or in CW using paddle no way to avoid the
third station on the air.

Nobody is stupid here

My apologize for being
rude

73

Oms

De: Luc Moreira
[mailto:py8azt em dxbrasil.net] 

Enviada em: sábado, 23 de junho de
2012 16:27

Para: Contest Reflector

Cc:
PETER PP5XX / PY5CC; py5eg; PT7CB;
RIO-DX-GROUP; GDXG; Dx Brasil

Assunto: Is allowed more then 2
stations on M/2?

Dear Contester,

On PY Contest reflectors Peter, PP5XX, a very known
operator that was part of HKØNA team, wrote this message:

On June 23, 2012 11:06, Peter Sprengel <petersprengel em hotmail.com>
wrote:

There are two situations in contestes.

By involuntary errors in operation that are all susceptible and
cheating.

I'll give you an example of CHEATING:

The guy participate as M/2 and have a third station and enter the QSO's made
from the third station in the log. This is DISHONESTY. That's shamelessness!

In my opinion have to declassify mercilessly. Unfortunately that's not what
happened recently in the WPX, and they opted to discount points of naughty
thieves. But it is a start and served as a reminder that every day the
organizers are more aware of frauds.

Link to original message in Portuguese:

http://list.araucariadx.com/pipermail/araucaria/2012-June/050015.html

The team PW7T was the only one M/2 participant in PY
on last WPX (both CW/SSB) using 3 stations setup, so I got confused If indeed
we are doing something wrong/illegal that WPX organizers didn't know about it
or noble fellow Peter, PP5XX is miss judging our operations?

3830 PW7T @ WPX 2012 - SSB: 2nd World
(Claimed):

http://lists.contesting.com/_3830/2012-03/msg02231.html

3830 PW7T @ WPX 2012 - CW: 1st World (Claimed):

http://lists.contesting.com/_3830/2012-05/msg01393.html

Little background to help you evaluate the
situation:

I'm one of 8-10 regular operators of PW7T Team
(former ZY7C) Fortaleza DX Group Contest Station. Since 2006, we've
been building the station from the ground. A project like
this require time, money (a lot of), effort, dedication, learning,
team working and big passion for Contesting.

Since then, It's not rare to spot us on Top Score Box of all big contests.
Although It wasn't easy/quick, It was really an amazing journey. During this
journey, we learned a lot about hardware, software, mastered game strategy,
have fun, how to work as team and finally we got more skilled and competitive.

One of most important lessons learned was that
Brazil isn't a rare DXCC. Just set a frequency and call CQ simply doesn't
work! We need to work pileup AND run after Qs and Mults as well, just like
95% of competitors do. If Moses won't go to the mountain...

To chase new Qs/Mults while don't give up pileups,
we setup 3 stations, each one have access to
all available antennas and they are limited to 1,000 Watts max power
output (according to PY ham radio regulation, we are seriously against POWER
ABUSE).

Our understand from M/2 category rules is that there
is no limit of stations, but M/2 entrants must ensure to have only 2 signals on
the air any time, any band. To avoid more then 2 signals on the air, two
(of three) stations are interlocked, so from 3 stations, we have only 2 signal
on the air any time, any band.

The third station is used as
"chameleon", It assumes RUN#1/RUN#2 identity to work mult/Qs on other
bands. So each RUN station "QSY" up to the band change limit (8 on
WPX, 10 on CQWW). That gives us up to 8 contacts per hour on WPX. On 48h it
means 384 mults or Qs that was made by third station. This station NEVER
calls CQ.

Errors happens. On WPX CW 2011, we lost 3rd place in
world because a band violation (complete article http://www.pw7t.net/?p=822). Yes, we take
the risk of make mistakes, but in my point of view It is not even close to
cheating.

If there is any broken rules on this setup or
strategy, please pinpoint It to us, so we'll fix it for future contests and we
will withdraw our logs from last WPX Contest.

At PW7T we beleave that there is no meaning on win by any means.

73, Luc

__

PW7T Team member

WRTC.2006
Brazilian Referee

WRTC.2010 Brazilian Team Leader

PY8AZT (also PT7AG, R37U, ZY7C, PX8C, ZZ8Z)

LABRE, ARRL, CWJF & Fortaleza DX Group Member

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